He is the avatar just with a weirder more dangerous power set that still makes sense for him, Hawk is fun and I need to see more, I want to see more Endeavor being a dad, and Gentle and La Brava is like tragedy wrapped in depression.....and I can't wait for anime only fans reaction to Gentle backstory.
Same. But it should be noted that kids these days want realistic episodic shows over anything really fantastical or plot heavy. While the new show isn’t quite my cup of tea, it makes sense why they did what they did with the new show.
Sure? But that show isn’t for kids, so it isn’t exactly a good example (it’s that anime about a college swim club, right?).
Besides, all that matters is that kids find it entertaining. They’re the target audience, after all. I’ve lost count of the number of times adults have complained about what Cartoon Network has been airing the last few years (with TTG being the big gripe) when plenty of kids love the channel.
I mean, feel free to dislike it, but they’re not exactly in the business of appealing to adults. They’re not exactly unimportant, but it’s best to go for what gets the most money and that’s the kids.
That's horrible rationale. That's how we continue to get mindless television shows, and that's why people are getting dumber. I work with kids, I see it first hand. Children's shows can be like Pokémon, episodic but still with moving stories in some episodes. Challenge children to make them think about things, don't just feed them bland, message-less garbage.
Random thought: children don't know what's good for them.
If your show has no substance, then there's no reason to come back to it. Just because it's made for children doesn't excuse something from being mediocre. Saying you're making something like Teen Titans Go because that's what your info says people want doesn't just let you off the hook for designing an inferior product, it just means you care more about making money than anything else about the product itself.
And then on the other hand you have stuff like Young Justice and Symbionic Titan that get canned because they don’t make money despite being great shows. They’re in the business to make money, first and foremost. If they didn’t make money, they wouldn’t even exist anymore.
Besides, it’s the height of arrogance to tell people what they’re supposed to like. And people certainly includes kids. The way to make money is to give people what they want and not tell them what they want.
Also, haven’t we all liked things as kids that adults hated? Heck, I’ve liked things as a kid that I now go “why did I like that again?”
I'm not telling anyone what they're "supposed to like" I'm saying the rationale of "it makes money" is not a justifiable reason to make something that is inferior. Focus on making a good product, not on making money. If you don't have any respect for your creation outside of what it can do for your bottom line, then you are everything that is wrong with the entertainment system. I'm not judging anyone for liking things that are stupid, I'm judging the people who are exploiting that by not attempting beyond the bare minimum because they already know they have a consumer base and therefore don't feel the need to try.
Want to hit at realistic being more boring than fantasy. I kinda prefer it for shows about products. The sports anime formula is just infinitely more interesting for such things. Like the character focus, personal improvement, and general accessibility in interacting with celebrity culture just screams to be applied to things like these. Meanwhile supernatural elements come off as cringy and underwhelming because the framing device for said elements is weaksauce and is just too personally relateable to be taken seriously. Sports anime formula is also huge with kids, so it's not like this is only an adult perspective.
Also, Exarch is kinda just factually right about not needing to play it super safe with children's media because children can enjoy and have a capacity for understanding more than we give them credit for. Spirited Away was a movie concieved because Shoujo manga for kid girls was seen as too shallow, and it got answered with a female-led movie that was an interesting adventure kids could really enjoy. I know it was my personal "replay it 1 million times" thing all children have at least 1 of.
I'd imagine Future of all people sharing that opinion because thinking children can't comprehend anything that requires something that would require them to consider anything at all would be the sort of mentality on why we've had so much clapback from people about trying to normalize gay parents in children's media in a time where gays can get married and have adoption and such more accessible.
Indeed, Slurpy. We need more shows about card games that focus on a more realistic depiction of sports culture. I want an episode where Yugi is scandalized for his drug addiction and has to go to rehab, and spends the next season rebuilding his reputation.
That’s just it, though. Their consumer base isn’t stable. Kids age and most get rid of the stuff they used to like, including this channel. They need to keep up with what kids like and when it’s something particularly experimental, they need to skimp on the expenses when they can to minimize the risk. Also, crude animation works for certain shows and that includes TTG (it fits the humor).
And honestly, CN is probably the only kids’ channel that cares about quality, IMO. Disney is moving off all its animation to XD while focusing more on its live-action stuff (which the more I hear of it, makes me question if any of the live-action shows were ever good and I am just ever so slightly insane for having ever liked That’s So Raven). And what does Nick even have anymore? Loud House and a bunch of formulaic Schneider sitcoms.
Anyways, point is, CN knows what kids like and treats adults as tangential. It’s fine, it works, and the people working on these shows are indeed passionate about it. I’ve seen interviews with the people who make these shows and they really don’t see it as a paycheck and honestly, it shows in their work. I just think people are just annoyed what they like isn’t popular among kids anymore. You think my mom doesn’t think Bugs Bunny is way better than Spongebob?
Er, basically, my point is, is that Spin Master did their homework and decided the current show is what would get kids to like their toys. And that’s why it’s different from past merchandising shows (including the original Bakugan). They’re taking a risk already and they want this game to get popular and last longer than the original series did.
Just English countries, mind you. Japan isn’t getting this. Basically, just the western companies in that old partnership are trying to reboot it. As far as I know, Spin Master has Sega’s blessing (but not their designs lol).
And hard agree on that, Exarch. It’s a shame, though. This version of the game is miles better than the old version. It could be because of the show, but it could be because of other factors. They’re certainly trying and aren’t incompetent, bare minimum, is all I’m saying.
I think it's because of the show. Not to knock on the show for what it might be trying to do, but I don't think that any potential popularity boom of the show will work the way it did with TTG because Bakugan is trying to sell a product. TTG is the product, whereas Bakugan is trying to convince you to buy the toys. But... the only people I've heard talk about playing Bakugan have been people who felt nostalgic about the original series. None of the kids in my class have ever brought any of them to school to play with, and no one has any other Bakugan merchandise, and I think it's just because you'll never be able to sell a serious product like Bakugan with using the Bakugan TV show, since it focuses on comedy and action but zero gameplay. Kids who like the TV show may buy shirts with characters on them, but they usually won't be motivated enough to buy the toys, because the toys don't really have anything to do with the show.
Yeah, that seems to be the case. They did what they needed to pull in the older crowd by inviting a bunch of popular nostalgia Youtubers to their HQ and try out the products, all expenses paid. It really got people talking.
As for the kids? One of the things to note is that CN doesn’t actually seem to really care about the show. It says a lot about its ratings. Spin Master is making it easy to watch, which is nice, but I stopped seeing ads a while back. Both the toys and show.
I feel like they didn’t do anything wrong, is all. They need to change something. I dislike the lack of gameplay, myself, but I’m an adult who can easily see the rules online. I also acknowledge that showing actual gameplay can be clunky with the plot and take you out of the show by reminding you that it’s basically a glorified ad. Maybe they really need to just go for that if this keeps up.
The initial ads got people talking, but I think if the show had been a classic it could have kept them. As it stands, I think a lot of people got hyped, and then the hype just kind of died and so they stopped playing again, since the only active way of building hype was the show, which is too childish and comedic for a lot of people.
I honestly don't think there's anything they can do, unless they completely revamp the show canon with a timeskip or something and move it a little more in line with other advertising shows. At least then it can have a good niche audience, since I doubt it will ever be a breakout success. But you're right, they need to change SOMEthing.
So Takara Tomy will be handling the Japan distribution of Bakugan Battle Planet this time around and as Japan tradition, the paint looks much better, and the Cores also nicer though I wonder if Japan and US stuff can be used together. Also, the show is coming to Japan on April 1st.
I’m pretty sure they gave up on getting Sega involved a while ago. Also, they want this to be its own thing while getting older fans by reusing the name. Basically, they’re fine with not bringing back certain designs. Maybe there will be “classic Bakugan” later on, but shrug.